Monday, May 21, 2007
EVERYTHING'S COMING UP PIZNARSKI
Famous-sounding words make your head feel light.
Pixies: Gigantic (live, 1988)
Clicks are currency here in the ad-sponsored online media Interzone, and that simple fact changes not just how we interact with content, but also what content we see in the first place. In 2007, is the concept of a Googleable name so newsworthy it belongs on the front page of The Wall Street Journal? Just a couple of years ago, was the notion of college kids eating cereal really so novel it merited an entire trend story in The New York Times? Magazines like Time have pandered hard with sex and religion covers for decades, but the online medium has only intensified the media's emphasis on easy sells over timely news pegs. The difference: It doesn't even matter anymore if people actually read the story, let alone find it worth money. The click is all that counts.
News websites have a few different ways to generate clicks. The most valuable to readers is breaking a fresh story, but while this may be the best strategy for maintaining long-term credibility, it requires resources (talented reporters with time to develop sources) and flexibility (you can't schedule scoops). Another way to generate clicks is to write a story with broad inherent appeal: No matter what you write about universal topics like sex, religion, or health, if you write an intriguing headline, people are going to click. Keep your common denominator low enough, and AOL or MSN might even throw links your way (= more advertising revenue). Finally, sites can run cultish stories targeting readers who make up in passion what they lack in numbers. Not everybody cares about Sirius stock (ticker: SIRI), but everybody who does seems to click on every Sirius-related news story.
From a news perspective, the effect of the latter two options is to trivialize and segment the dialogue even further than cable TV shoutfests have already done. Websites run stories that are the journalistic equivalent of Cosmopolitan coverlines: A Slate article on "Hillary's red-state accent" probably doesn't have any policy relevance, but that headline is like American Apparel near-nudity for grabbing clicks-- whether or not anybody actually finishes reading the durn thing. Further, Sirius might not be particularly important, but click-conscious editors will probably assign additional resources to them to keep up their numbers, and end up missing out on smarter, tougher, more important stories. At some point, forget investigative reporting.
Not only is a man in the cabinet, but the man is a midget.
Los Campesinos!: We Throw Parties, You Throw Knives (cross-posted from Pitchfork)
I'm beginning to believe that Web music discussion is affected by these same trends, though probably not as consciously (none of my editors have ever, ever broached the topic). Here, too, news portals and click-conscious bloggers must know they can get the most bang from their buck writing about topics with extremely broad appeal. Or topics with tiny but devout (often aka bored) followings. And this is where I get back to one of the things that's bold and awesome about Matt LeMay's band, Get Him Eat Him (although in response to Nick's post, I like the album but have no idea how I'd go about rating it-- knowing somebody involved with a band tends to make me worry both about being unfairly positive and about overcompensating for perhaps being unfairly positive): This is an environment where the Top 40, MTV, and American Idol acts still have cross-niche appeal to writers and readers; everybody likes and writes about the tiny amount of stuff that gets a national push from non-Internet media. It's also an environment where we, overloaded with information, devote an inordinate amount of time to albums nobody seems willing to admit they don't get (in fairness sometimes I probably just don't get 'em). The faltering mass culture and the above-reproach avant garde. [though: Why accept Clive Davis's story as credible? Doesn't it enhance a pop star's image to portray her as a rebel rather than a product?]
"ANYWAY" (hyuck hyuck) what Get Him Eat Him do is put together influences from unjustly undermentioned '90s indie-rock heroes like Chavez and Shudder to Think and write catchy songs and actually sing well. This is neither low-brow nor incomprehensibly outre. In fact it's so barely a few years ago ("Oh, I'm listening to an indie-rock band") it seems like the type of thing that could get overlooked in the New Promotional Order. A one-line post about a buzzed-about record you've never listened to in its entirety (but OMG it just hit oink) would be an easier, flashier lure for buzzers/ees. WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO GET PEOPLE TO LISTEN TO STUFF NOWADAYS??? Are we making music "work" or did the technology just get that way.
My Crystal Gayle shirt is ruined.
Jonathan Richman: Springtime in New York
Elsewhere:
Here's more on what I was getting at in the non-musical portion of the post that prompted this discussion with Dave Moore. If no journalism at least strives for objectivity (while inevitably failing), then we're further from a well-informed democracy:
"You can always dismiss a blogger, or a partisan paper like the New York Post, as biased. But The Washington Post, The New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal have long batted down this complaint. That's because it rings so empty. The MSM makes an earnest (albeit occasionally flawed) effort to achieve a neutral understanding of events, and that's the source of an authority and prestige that even its harshest critics in the political and corporate elite still must respect."
If you haven't gotten to Tom Ewing's latest Poptimist column yet, you should. Key point:
"[C]riticism isn't at the brass-rubbing stage quite yet. To fully avoid it, it seems to me as a reader that music critics will have to stop relying on their superior taste and expertise, and start trading on their ideas and the conversations they help spark."
One crazy addition: I read some of my favorite music writers also for the pleasure of their prose, savoring the vitality of their language as much as what the words convey (the way people can listen to an album that sounds good whether or not the lyrics match up) (cf. especially Meltzer, Bangs, and Xgau, yes he of the "Consumer Guide"). Good writing can function without necessarily being only overtly functional, right? (Not saying I can even achieve this, but ideally it's one more way we could make ourselves useful.)
Look at that, a bear mining for coal.
Yoko Ono and Cat Power: Revelations
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Good post, good points. Although I can only hope "ANYWAY" is referring to everyone's favorite unforgiveable utube video.
I just wrote a column for the Daily Bruin (STILL IN COLLEGE OMG) about how when the major labels die off, there's not going to be any cultural homogenity and nobody's going to know what to listen to anymore. Which is a bummer, but I suppose it's better than being 24/7 leak-driven, right-clicking sheep.
Thanks, Dave! Post a link to the column, plz? Sounds interesting. Says this right-clicking sheep.
(Uh, other Dave.)
Marc, I'm not quite getting what you're saying...
It's also an environment where we, overloaded with information, devote an inordinate amount of time to albums nobody seems willing to admit they don't get
We are overloaded with information (what information?), therefore we spend too much time listening to...bad albums? Obscure music? What's to "get," and what's not being got? I devote an inordinate amount of time to, say, Aly and AJ (inordinate to ME because it prevents me from listening to like fifty other albums in the same amount of time I wring my hands about child kidnapping...FOR TWO YEARS STRAIGHT). I devote this time because I don't "get" them yet, but I'm getting closer. I WANT to get them. Partially (1) because I know I like them, I just haven't quite figured out how yet (and A&A fans are quick to point this out, astute googlers/critics that they are), and (2) because good music deserves a lot of time -- if not always in the listening, in the thinking. And this is where "go go go" tends to cut off good criticism, or more generally good ideas short -- I think I agree with you generally, but you're throwing me for a few loops to get there.
The faltering mass culture and the above-reproach avant garde.
Is this in reference to Tom's (speculative and kinda weird) post, or the fact that people (like me) spend an "inordinate amount of time" listening to Kelly Clarkson? Or talking about her simply as a celeb/click-through point instead of analyzing her music? And who's actually pimping the avant-garde these days? Indie blogs aren't really in the business of selling the avant-garde, are they?
And then finally, I just don't get why GHEH is doing something worth doing in itself by wearing proto-P4k bands on their sleeves -- not that this is a bad thing, just no one has explained why it's a GOOD thing. For what it's worth, I only like or know a handful of these bands in the first place, but what about them distinguishes GHEH from bands who aren't using these touchstones? (And hey, since when do "new indie blog kids" or whatever have no idea who, say, D-Plan or Chavez or whoever else is?)
I guess I'm just afraid of you and Nick turning into a couple of cranky old men sitting around going BAH! without really giving me an argument to, y'know, want to LISTEN to Get Him Eat Him (OK, I listened to one track; it was pretty good! But I have zero interesting to say about it yet). What does blog hype and info-overload have to do with the fact that no one (even the like three people who's writing I read) is giving me any compelling reasons to listen in the first place (and frankly the limited conversation about it so far makes me want to listen LESS, because it's all "unjust unappreciation" and "what's with the ADD kidz these days" etc. and I'll hang out with budding young Diznee fundies before I hang out with people who remind me of a grumpier version of MYSELF). Isn't "back in the old days" or "y'all just don't GET it, man" the equivalent of click-through logic, not bothering to really force a conversation with the world it's claiming has gone to shit and settling for general disgruntlment?
(OK, so clearly I misread what you were saying about Kelly vs. the avant-garde. I still don't know what that was, but my questions are kinda irrelevant. But I don't get what Tom's saying either, and I don't get how any of this has anything to do with the avant-garde...am I being totally dense here? Please to spell out?)
Hey "other Dave",
Whoa, whoa, nothing at all about you in this post, especially not as you're interpreting it. If anything, you'd be on the OTHER side of my vague, populist "mass culture"/anti-populist "avant garde" dichotomy. In plainer English, if you look at yr Stereogum or whatever, you're going to read about Avril Lavigne, and you're going to see respectful attention paid to CocoRosie or Joanna Newsom or Post-Songwriting Artist XYZ, but you're probably not going to see a drumbeat behind something rooted in '90s indie rock (hell, you know as well as I do, for indie-blogs history began in 2004). Moreover, I don't mean to imply people were actually doing an "inordinate amount" of LISTENING to these artists-- merely that the CONVERSATION is skewed toward (what's left of the) mass culture (i.e. artists with support from other media, including yr Diznee poppers) and then on the other hand this even-more-nebulous category of "challenging" shit.
"Overloaded by information": You know, 1's and 0's, access to lots of free music, more records than there's time to listen to
"Therefore we spend too much time"... not listening, TALKING or READING or POSTING about either as-seen-on-TV pop or outre stuff surrounded with an impenetrable mystique of artsy cool that suggests you're stupid if you don't like it. It's a discourse in which, in respectable circles, loving Kelly Clarkson is unassailable, and so is loving Obscure Noise/Drone Artist... but fuck, not more corny indie fuxx.
I think Nick made plenty of arguments about why you should listen to GEHE, but as I said, I'm uncomfortable talking too much about music my friends are involved with... I'd rather use them as an example of how people are overlooking a certain (satisfying) strain of music, IMO possibly for the wrong reasons. So yes, of course this post isn't about why you should listen to GEHE; it's about being aware of the way the online medium-- like TV, radio, and print before it (see McLuhan)-- privileges certain types of content over others.
oops! hadn't seen your second post yet.
i don't think tom was saying anything about the avant-garde, just reiterating that there is less and less of a musical mainstream nowadays. pop is niche-based now, with few transcendent stars. how many people actually heard the high school musical soundtrack, the #1 album of last year? the pop landscape, too, has been shaped by the long tail...
And hey while I've got the floor here, what's "wrong with the world" these days, the one I pay attention to anyway, is that no one TALKS to each other on their damn websites! If you go to the Bedbugs post you linked, there's a 34 (and counting) response comment thread that probably has more interesting ideas in it than anything I said in, what, a thousand words in the actual post (which came from YOUR comment thread)? And even then there were only four people, imagine fifty! It's like you have to settle for a pretty good feedback loop or a buncha people writing all over the bathroom wall. Which is fine sometimes, but you at least need to talk to people in there and point out how funny some of the dick jokes are occasionally. (Commenters on most music blogs are like seventh graders reciting the jokes just to prove they know the joke already, which is just sad.)
FACT: Tom's best commenters are the ones that google him through, say, a Sanjaya Malakar fansite.
Marc, write a post about Sanjaya (or aly and aj and how maybe there not really good christians because clearly their interested in pre-martil sex) and then respond to them in your comment thread when they google the site! (Except you have to get rid of the awful blogger comment system.) You have a blog that people read sometimes, you can do so much more.
(Marc, can't you tell when I'm writing to you after a long day at work? And everything is about me, otherwise why would I care? Oh wait let me actually read what you wrote this time!)
Ah. Hm. Clearly I'm agitated about something else here. I think it's the lack of communication thing...I don't really care how many 1's and 0's I have in my life (and I don't buy the TOO MUCH MUSIC arguments, because usually I think it's a way for people to complain about why people aren't listening to the right music without really backing it up...making an argument that's all about "well, once upon a time people cared about this stuff, and now no one gives a shit!" So make 'em give a shit instead of whining about how they just don't...and who wants to talk to anyone who cares about Stereogum, anyway? You're also forgetting we can just ignore large swathes of the population and they'll just go away, even if they do have the internet at their disposal. I mean, if you're basically gonna give me the intellectual equivalent of a "thanks for the dl!" thread, you're hopeless, and if you're Stereogum...I dunno, not hopeless in its own way, but again, JUST IGNORE THEM. This is why all the best people go to the niches in the first place, less GOONS to deal with. I bet in ten years I won't even remember what a stereogum is! (Pitchfork was smart to hitch its wagon to an old-media classic.)
I don't remember what my point was. Oh yeah, Nick confused me by comparing that GHEH song to Beirut and the New Pornographers and then complaining about...Peter Bjorn and John?? (Also, side thought, maybe some of us "kids" are still bitter about tha bread-n-butter indie rock because in recent enough memory we bought a buncha 12 RODS albums, once upon a time when things were so much nicer and unhyped bands were not getting real-time hype instead of retrospective hype(?). Also, didn't Pfork JUST review like a five CD Chavez retrospective or something? Woops, didn't check the byline...)
Damn, I bought a Walt Mink album once, too. And I even had that first out of print Wrens album on my Amazon wish list for like two years!! And I didn't even like them when I was TRYING to like them!
Guess my point here is, if a band sounding like Walt Mink and 12 Rods is what's supposed to make me want to listen to them...I'm not buying it. But I also doubt that's seriously the most interesting thing anyone could say about this particular band! (PS, you are totally allowed to write about your friends on your blog, don't let all this journalistic integrity stuff bog you down...)
But not only is it about sounding like them, it's about how unfair it is that these bands aren't getting retrospective acclaim, or that people have forgotten about them? (I mean, I couldn't forget about them fast enough, but still...this isn't exactly Lester Bangs and the Troggs here, and at least THAT was fun to read!)
(btw, I pre-emptively apologize for the incoherency of many of the above statements.)
(Oh wait, but I won't apologize for saying that referencing McLuhan scores you about as many points in my book as referencing Walt Mink. Never wasted as much time or money in him, though.)
(PS - food for thought, HSM OST is better than the 12 Rods album I own...and neither of 'em are even that good! Probably about the same number of OK songs, but HSM annoys me less.)
Dave,
I did see your comment thread! Frankly, I was pretty intimidated. I didn't feel like I acquitted myself very well in my confused response to Frank K., so I decided to steer clear.
I don't WANT to write a post about Sanjaya! I don't even watch Idol, and I feel like I know him better than I know what's going on with my own family these days. That's part of what I was trying to say: People blog this old-media-driven shit to death. It takes up a disproportionate amount of the popcrit dialog.
P.S. You probably know I came late to a lot of those '90s indie-rock bands, too, SO...
(no need to apologize for your "incoherency," you're always way more coherent in these comments threads than I am-- which is probably still more coherent than I am in my blog posts)
Real Dave here again
"loving Kelly Clarkson is unassailable, and so is loving Obscure Noise/Drone Artist... but fuck, not more corny indie fuxx."
Yeah, exactly. Although I think a lot of this has to do with nobody taking indie-pop seriously, which is sort of to be expected. That's probably just an extension of not taking songwriters seriously any more, but I think with bands like Hold Steady and the National there's been a bit of a backlash to that. Not to mention the Shins and the Arcade Fire.
Marc, I think one thing that goes unmentioned a lot is that the people who tend to think about these issues are the ones writing for P4k and CMG and blogs and stuff and so we HAVE to listen to everything just to keep up. If I don't know who Deerhunter is, I'm irrelevant! And so our perspective is a little skewed.
My friends the regular old indie listeners just, y'know, read reviews and go to shows and listen to a few new things a month. They're not on this marathon pace. So the question becomes, how much overlap is there between people who read blogs and listen to music, and people who post on hipinion and download 20 albums a week from OiNK?
My column runs tomorrow, btw, I'll shoot you a link then.
(fake Dave)
merely that the CONVERSATION is skewed toward (what's left of the) mass culture (i.e. artists with support from other media, including yr Diznee poppers)
OK, I took a deep breath and now I'm back. Apologies to 12 Rods and McLuhan for my derogatory remarks without really trying to meet them on their own terms first. (When I say I've "spent more time on Walt Mink," I mean more like I've put a LOT of time into Walt Mink to decide they did nothing for me, whereas I didn't need as much time with McLuhan to know that. But tell me what I should be reading cuz I'm not about to wade through it all myself.)
Anyway, maybe one point I'm shouting around here is that, frankly, I don't CARE what people are talking about, so long as they talk about it in a way that's interesting or useful to me, in a way that makes me want to say something back to them, even if I'm in a little over my head.
You were certainly on the comment thread, and you shoulda kept posting! But that's neither here nor there since you're one of the few bloggers I read regularly who responds to just about every single comment he/she gets and tries to meet the posters on their terms, which is my point about "the real fans" -- well, not Sanjaya fans (that was really just kind of weird on the Breihan post) but certainly Aly and AJ fans, who have repeatedly called me out on legitimately stupid things I've said about artists they love. (From like five minutes ago: "hahahah dude you're moronic. honestly you're insane. you got all of it wrong. you obviously know nothing about them." He's right!! That's why I post these abuses right up on the sidebar.)
Stereogum and, oh I dunno, Idolator, aren't setting any clear terms in which a decent conversation could ever start (except to talk about how stupid they're being, like when they did their shitty "sometimes music critics SHOULD have fewer words" bit and someone called me self-righteous and then said I should have used fewer words, buncha anti-intellectual turds); more than just "clickthru" material, they simply don't have anything interesting to say about ANY music, be it Joanna Newsom or Deerhunter or Ashley Tisdale. (I don't have anything interesting to say about Joanna Newsom or Deerhunter, which is why I don't write about 'em!)
I can imagine someone writing about Walt Mink in an engaging way that makes me want to revisit them, since I do still own their perfect-10 album and could hypothetically listen to it this very moment, but if that essay or that review is out there I've never read it -- and the recent convo that includes Nick and now you (uh, just the two of you, I guess? Maybe I'm overreacting, but I do read both of yer blogs) isn't trying to engage me, the indie late-bloomer, in the stuff that I got suckered into by being a few years late. It's sort of trying to exclude me by bemoaning the fact that I (not actually me, I guess, just the hypothetical "0101 overload" kidz) just don't get it. Which tells me nothing about this brand new (not brand new) band and why in this too-music-filled world I should deign to listen to them (ha, like I'm gonna listen to more than twenty albums more than once in a given YEAR, and maybe ten of those more than three times and there's my top ten! Which I'll probably listen to about 100x each...).
Here's my own little chronology of events: 'net-hype first-wavers, who were doing/creating the Stereogum thang with a lower profile and more enthusiasm (which goes a long way -- one of my #1 complaints about grindblogs is how fucking NEUTRAL they have to be about everything. "This happened today. Hm. This also happened. Ah. Very interesting. *clears throat* In other news, this also happened today." The proto-Stereogum enthusiastic-with-dreams-of-neutrality (=journalistic professionalism or something) begat chuckleheads like Dave M and Marc H, who came of age criticwise during the early peak of the blog-hype second wave c. 2004 (soon to be replaced with the "let's all decide for ourselves and shut the fuck up unless you've got a good enough dick joke/opinion to scrawl as a "comment," what you don't even know what a donkey punch is???" and these awkward young men go on to either get much much better at what they do as they go along (MH) or give up entirely almost immediately and start from scratch and generally embarrass themselves within the confines of their relative anonymity where at least they have some room to breathe they just needed some SPACE (DM); both write interesting things about Stereogum-safe artists and Stereogum-safe-but-only-in-a-we-
have-to-talk-about-this-sorta-
way-ala-HSM artists alike, and sometimes simultaneously. (Tom Breihan and Mikael Wood are the only people that have ever written anything about HSM even worth reading, both in the Voice).
"ANYWAY," (I don't understand this reference. Is it a meme?) good music writing could come from anywhere. It doesn't come from very many places about ANY kind of music right now, but there's not a direct correlation to the music being discussed (there's a lot of amazing music with little to zero good criticism about it, just waiting to be written -- maybe Get Him Eat Him is a band like this, but again, I'm not getting any spark to listen from the (good) critics, friends though they may be (why should I care? Hell, write about your OWN band well enough and I'll probably listen to it). Having listened for my very own self, I'd still prefer someone else to write about GHEH. But hey, how about Fergie? Lots and lots and lots of words, but NO GOOD CRITICISM about her album, and it's a great album! (If Sanjaya puts out a great album, maybe I'll want to read good words/have a good convo about him, but for now he hasn't done anything to merit one.) How about HSM, the #1 CD of the year, probably a bajillion words written on it and not a one of 'em will make anyone, including me, even remotely interested in listening to it (usually the underlying point in those articles was that non-kids SHOULDN'T be listening to it, and shouldn't be expected to -- it was for the primal preteen hordes. Why?). How 'bout all these crazy artists, niche or no (who cares about niches? How can music be both totally scattered and totally hyper-stratified at the same time, as if there were tiny, homogenous, ultraspecific audiences listening to all of these various bizarre hitz and NO ONE ever overlapped? That just isn't true, check the "creepy" teenage MySpace page list anthropology over on the ILM teenpop thread), performers who get fifty ZILLION words and not a single one that makes me want to do anything but stop reading (or write something myself to compensate...might be incoherent but damn, least I can do is try to be interesting for 3,000 words or so...)?
Dave!
Excellent comments once again. As for McLuhan, the trick is just to get beyond the catch-phrases that people who haven't read him use to invoke him; "Understanding Media" sets out his broad theory of how media and even language (all technologies, for that matter) are "extensions of man" and each medium has certain qualities (e.g., radio = tribal), and you should probably start there. I've also read "From Cliche to Archetype." He's the sort of polymath who can pull from various categories of knowledge to write some general theories about history and humanity, which means there's plenty of room to disagree with him on specifics but also makes him pretty interesting, like Robert Anton Wilson's "Prometheus Rising" or Ernest Becker's "Denial of Death". He's also highly influenced by "Finnegan's Wake", which appeals to me.
"ANYWAY" is a Klosterman goof.
Interesting interesting point about how naturally there's overlap between these various supposedly stratified "niches." This is something to investigate, perhaps, and something to find a way to foster... the more people listen across niches, the better pop conversation we can have.
The problem I was trying to identify is that the music discourse, increasingly dictated by the ADD click culture, isn't necessarily well-suited to discuss great music that isn't inherently interesting (click-worthy) on a non-musical level. But you're right to extend this even to records that ARE interesting on a non-musical level, such as "High School Musical"; the larger problem is, as you note, that there's far too little writing that actually attempts to engage with a given work. DONKEY PUNCH!!!
Hey Marc -- here's that column.
Thanks! Really nice piece.
pop culture as we know it may be just a few years away from being split into millions upon millions of bite-size P2P pieces.
OTM
I'm surprised you haven't managed to convert more UCLA Softies fans by now, though. ;-)
yeah, it's a real bummer. my girlfriend HATES HATES HATES them. i got her into Ryan Adams and the National, though, so we're cool.
nice job on the Lucky Soul piece today, helluva record. "one kiss don't make a summer" is this year's "pull shapes."
DUMP HER! "you should at least consider it," sez my fiancee.
sez fake dave: Lucky Soul, now there's a nostalgia fetish I can get behind. (Way better than the Pipettes, tho that wasn't much of a contest.)
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